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Kevin Matthews Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 687 Location: Eugene, Oregon	Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: ArchWeek - Changing Shapes of Space - Zaha Hadid Discussion related to this ArchitectureWeek story:
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Attempting to understand the title and maybe something about the architect. I will take notes everwhere "shape or space" is mentioned. "ability to sell or rent the apartments or office space" "One might identify in some of her works of the last decade the letter Z, which one could also read as a logical development of the snakes slithering through some of the earlier forms, here becoming a more tightly bundled way of defining space within confined circumstances." "The shape is most evident in the giant beams that zigzag" "The expansion of space along terraced galleries" "What ties all of this together is the roof, which is in actuality what makes possible and shelters the new space. A continuity of structure enables a continuity of space" "The zigzag shape is even clearer" "as well as the office spaces" "leaving the spaces beneath open to each other" "These spaces are magnificent" "as snakes of spaces as pile up" "finally accomplish the intertwining of structure and space" "to unfold continuous spaces" "Out of the snaking roofs and bending shapes", "without ever constraining either interpretation or space""these clouds become containers of space""as the promise of freer space". WTF, I don't get it. What does this have to do anything besides renting apartments or office space? This may be a case, of where I'm better off not reading the article. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Holy, slithering snakes of space! I was interested enough to read one too. http://www.architectureforum.com/topic-31027.html Speaking of fluid movements, where's the bathrooms in these things, I gotta go. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: It's been done before, space and snakes that is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luVjkTEIoJc&NR=1&feature=fvwp Same results. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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agaadil Joined: 21 May 2010 Posts: 1	Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:49 am    Post subject: Zaha hadid rocks
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:15 am    Post subject: agaadil wrote: Zaha hadid rocks No, this is rocking. Watch all ten minutes and the two seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5_G6A28uYs&feature=player_embedded#! _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 5:35 pm    Post subject: Breath taking wasn't it...I watched that video at least 3 times consuming a bunch of my day. I can't believe someone bumped this. Oh well. "Architecturally the project - which was announced earlier this year - marks a new direction for Hadid, with the building’s forms being variously described as resembling an internal organ or a pair of mating lizards." That's is just fantastic Zaha! Humping Lizards! awesome, I'm on board now! That quote comes from somewhere in the blog or bog should I say. I raised two common snapping turtles for eleven years. I had nine garter snakes in a box in my room for awhile...a great basin gopher snake name Sue that ate hamsters when the store ran out of mice. A ball python named Karen.... box tortoises.. frogs..a black widow...wolf spiders..an american eel...crawdads...a blackbird that I saved and then accidentally ate by the snapping turtles. The turtles names were Sam and George and I miss them dearly. What does this have to do with architecture? Is it like some space/time worm hole? Are we dealing with anti-matter here? _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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erjavi Joined: 10 Jan 2009 Posts: 746	Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 5:27 am    Post subject: Hola Kevin. De acuerdo, nos reunimos tod@s en Portugal. Dadme un poco de tiempo para que aprenda a cocinar bien el bacalao.
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solidred Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 773 Location: Scotland	Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 4:16 am    Post subject: DJ... can I take it you're less than enthusiastic about all this zig-zag stuff? For sure it's not everyone's cup-of-tea and her colleague's claims in a recent edition of Architect's Journal are entirely overblown but... it's all kinda groovy, no? What surprises me more is that you don't get this relationship between mating lizards and architecture, especially seeings as you've owned some fine specimens yourself. The acanthus leaf - way back in the day - inspired the classical column capital. Here, we have the more dynamic, more Frank Zappa type 'generative' version of that, no? I mean, space, man... and lizards. I mean that's dreamy, no?
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Surely solidred, seeing suspicious scenarios subtly suggesting slithering snake space sounds surreal, somewhat sexy. So-be-it, some sages sarcasm surrounding starchitects saying superfluous statements summarises silly situations. I have no more brain power after that, I'm spent. As inspiration, all my designs will now be based on hussling hungry hagfish. sadly sinking to new slimy lows. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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Richard Haut millennium club Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: Nice, France	Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: I'll happily admit that I've long been a fan of zaha's work, but I question all this lizard and snake talk. that is not how I see her work at all. her earlier work always made me think of Swiss railways but now it is moving into more "billowing" forms, but I do not see the sort of skeletal references so clear in much of Calatrava's work (and for me one or two of his projects have overdone the nature-reference). I believe the origins of her shapes to be more geometric than nature-influenced. however these works contain a risk - whether Calatrava or Zaha - such individualistic shapes have to have what one could call a geometric integrity: to really work as a unified structure; otherwise they can very easily become a stylized misfit. Perhaps that is why there are so few "Starchitects", and why attempts to imitate them often fail so badly. They require a strong hand. _________________ Richard Haut has worked with the architectural profession for over 25 years and produces the weekly Richard Haut's Competitions, which has given architects details of many thousands of projects for which they can apply across Britain and Europe.
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88 Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 145 Location: usa	Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Zaha Hadid, a Pritzker Prize winner, an iraqi woman with a math major who later studied architecture. She is my hero since the Hong Kong Peak project. What I heard, she is one of the few architects who can paint her nail during meeting with major developers and ask them to take a hike if they made demand on her.
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: [quote="djswan"]Surely solidred, seeing suspicious scenarios subtly suggesting slithering snake space sounds surreal, somewhat sexy. So-be-it, some sages sarcasm surrounding starchitects saying superfluous statements summarises silly situations.[quote] C'mon??? don't I get at least a high five or something for that. Take a hike in Glacier National Park, with a stud timberframer from Montana. yeah I'm that good. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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solidred Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 773 Location: Scotland	Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:37 am    Post subject: Yes, you got a hi-five for your alliterative gymnastics but it wasn't visible as text
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djswan millennium club Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 1253 Location: Montana, USA	Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: oops. You are right again, solidred. To much work to fix it and it stills does the job. I'm sensing some folks are upset when I call bs on a female architect or Wonder Woman, should I say? This stuff...architecture...style...whatever, is a thing of yesterday. Frank Gehry gets it from me...and I still call FLW a snake-oil salesman. So what's the big deal? I aced that "Aqua Tower" too. I wouldn't have even noticed these without help. and btw...I give her credit for surreal and sexy. Rem Koolhaus is going hear from me next. tsk tsk. I build cool houses Rem does not. _________________ An event is to chaos as function is to form. n/a Offering FREE design with every wood purchase and/or a job that pays 100,000 bucks.
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