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How Goes It Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 450	Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Alfred, Thanks for pointing out the update. I loaded the update. It corrected a problem I was having with the last beta prior to this update -- that is, with beta 2.0.0b5 (build 7616). I couldn't get the Angle Snap to work at 90° with this beta. Update 2.0 has fixed that. Angle Snap is now working. I'm happy !!!
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Alfred Scott Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 815 Location: Richmond, VA	Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:26 am    Post subject: Anyone using Bonzai3D 2.0, please send me a private email to alfred@seqair.com Alfred
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:33 am    Post subject: Steve or others, So is anyone using Bonsai 3D here for design or design development (or even in CD's for details etc. like Greg L does with SU)? If so how is it going? I would like to try and confirm that it is a solid modeler and not a surface modeler like SU. The new version looks to have the ease of SU but looks very powerful How was the learning curve? It is obviously more expensive than SU but for me it looks like it might be worth it. I just cannot get the knack of SU having used DesignWorkshop (solid modeler) for so long. Does anyone have any output from Bonsai they can post no matter wha phase of the learning curve they are in? I would be curious to check it out. Send off line if you prefer. Thanks for any information you can provide. Gary
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How Goes It Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 450	Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject: Hi Gary, I've got a number of things to take care of today, but I'll try to post something for you to look at this weekend (hopefully). In the mean time I'll say this --- I like the program. The company responds quickly to questions. And they listen to suggestions and make improvements when reasonable. It's a solid modeler that will also do surface objects for those that want such. You might want to skim through some of the posts, and autodessys's response to questions at the Bonzai forum. http://www.formz.com/forum/discus41/messages/35952/35952.html Below is an interesting discussion by some SU people regarding Bonzai. This discussion is at least 15 pages long last I checked, so make sure you read the latest posts, so as to get a more complete picture on how the SU folks feel about Bonzai. http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=25915&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=bonzai3d&sid=bac2e4a07eabf620eea81cadeb2db0fd ---------------- Steve
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Thanks Steve. Their support team is all over pushing this product and are really responsive. They got back to me right away on the solid vs surface modeler question. I read the user forum (the second half or so) and SU users seem to be all over it. Seems SU has been lagging in introducing user requested and needed tools that B3D already has! I am not close enough to know if this is a big deal or not but a responsive developer is something that we all appreciate. I have been playing with SU and am making some progress in learning how to deal with objects and some shortcuts that make it worthwhile. I am going to continue to learn it but keep an eye on B3D as it seems like a very worthy and capable program....not only that but it seems stronger than SU! It's just a question of whether I need it or not. Are you or others using a renderer or just Bonsai's or SU's integral options? Just curious. I know B3D has the rendering package you can buy also for photo realistic work. Thanks for the forum references. Not sure what your profession is but if you can post or send me some links that would be awesome. So tell me, how was the learning curve? Gary
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How Goes It Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 450	Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Hi Gary, Hope that rambling READ ME didn't chew up too much of your time --- LOL !!!! Sorry I couldn't be of anymore help on the learning curve question about Bonzai. Like I said --- I would GUESS 2 to 3 months of some serious time spent in the program, before you would start to feel half decent about using it in architecture. Anyway --- It sounds like you're coming along fine with SU. Regards, Steve
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GaryV Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 305 Location: Walnut Creek, CA	Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Steve, I have been remiss in thanking you for your help. I see some similarities in the two programs. Being that I already own SU, for now I may try to get up to speed with it and then once I am a bit more proficient I will try the Bonsai3D demo and do a comparison test. Something tells me I will prefer the solid modeling in terms of ease in object handling. I guess no one else here is using it at all. Thanks again for your willingness to share the info with me. G
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pbacot millennium club Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 1021 Location: Northern California	Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Gary, I am not using Bonsai but SU. I think the opinions of the SU users at Skechucation are valuable in this respect and, of course whatever you hear at the Bonsai 3d site. The SU people are knowledgeable and use many different programs. Some of them will surely add Bonsai to their palettes. I use SU, sometimes showing clients the raw SU output. Also they like to see it real time on the computer sometimes. I have been looking at rendering but haven't been interested in tackling this in a big way. Instead I have handed over models to one of the expert renderers I met at Sketchucation. It is quite reasonable and the results are fantastic. Someone who has been doing this a while has full control of texture and lighting and has a full resource of plants etc. to finish out a scene. I still hope to learn some basic delineation methods from SU that can quickly make a model more artistic for presentation (using Photoshop), but I am not currently interested in putting all the time into developing with one of the rendering programs. It is something one tends to do for the fun of it, I think, just as some people excel at modeling for the fun of it--almost like they do with physical models. If you make money at rendering, with all the competition, you must be VERY good. _________________ Peter B
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Rob C Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 593 Location: Southern Connecticut	Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: What I saw of Bonsai looks interesting. Trying to learn too many applications, though, gets really difficult. It takes a lot of time and energy, and you get confused sometimes. I've finally reached the point where SketchUp is producing real work. Match Photo has been the single most valuable addition, especially for additions. I've had more than one recent project where I generated the sections and elevations in SU and brought them back into PowerCADD for final drawings. I still don't think I could do it all in SU. I generally need to start at least plans in PowerCADD first. _________________ Rob www.robertcoolidge.com
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